Afternoon Oppopoll

"Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer" (smallbear94) 08/08/2016 at 14:24 • Filed to: None

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A hypothetical question to help Monday go by.

If you could take your CURRENT VEHICLE, and pair it with the drivetrain/driveline of your choice, what would you end up with?

Let’s make one rule. It has to be within the realm of possibility without completely reconstructing the vehicle. Ie no original Mini’s with RWD and !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! swaps. If it was FWD or RWD, it stays FWD or RWD. If it was available in AWD/4WD, you can choose to keep it that way or make it FWD/RWD, as the vehicle is already constructed in a way that will accept either one. Everything else is open. Interbrand swaps, auto/manual/CVT, electric/hybrid (to any chosen wheels as it’s just wiring), production/concept is all fair game.

I’ll start. 2010 Chevy Colorado:

Add this:
!!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!!

And one of these:

http://www.jegs.com/p/Chevrolet-Pe…

Your turn.

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/08/2016 at 14:29

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So my 4Runner with a 5 speed from the same generation, and a supercharger on the 5VZ.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap 08/08/2016 at 14:31

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Superchargers make everything better: FACT.

Mercedes Streeter > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/08/2016 at 14:31

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My smart

+ Lift Kit

+ Supercharged Toyota engine.

= Some kind of death.

Reece-Current Stinger GT owner > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/08/2016 at 14:35

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Datsun 240z with the twin turbo V8 out of a new Maserati Quattroportte GTS because DAT NOISE

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Mercedes Streeter 08/08/2016 at 14:35

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Came expecting a flat-6 swap from a 911 turbo (it’s rear engine RWD after all. Was disappointed. No longer disappointed.

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/08/2016 at 14:35

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The whine is awesome and the 5VZ can make some good power considering it’s a pretty light truck

Illegitimus Prime > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap 08/08/2016 at 14:36

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My Polo

Mitsubishi 6A12 MIVEC

Where there’s a will there’s a way.... if you can shoehorn the Audi 1.8T in there I’m sure you can find a way to fit in the 2.0L V-6.

..... and if it doesn’t fit in the front, who needs FWD and rear seats? Make it MR.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Reece-Current Stinger GT owner 08/08/2016 at 14:37

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Maserati never makes cars or engines, just noises.

I’m sure of it. It’s the one thing they consistently get right, so it must be.

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > Mercedes Streeter 08/08/2016 at 14:37

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I want a Polaris RZR with a Smart body and a 13B.

bhtooefr > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/08/2016 at 14:38

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I hate to do this, because it removes one of the best parts of a fantastic car (that amazingly good Mazda 5-speed manual gearbox), but I’d drive the damn thing more often if I did this.

My 2000 Miata

Add front motor out of AWD low-end Tesla Model S to the rear

Add about 25 kWh of battery in the middle

188 hp, probably around 2600 lbs, and a complete hooligan machine. That gets insanely good MPGe. Really, I could do with a lot less power than that, too - like 120 would be plenty.

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > Illegitimus Prime 08/08/2016 at 14:38

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Wrong person but man that is an awesome swap.

Reece-Current Stinger GT owner > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/08/2016 at 14:38

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NUT.

Illegitimus Prime > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap 08/08/2016 at 14:39

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I totally did reply to the wrong person. Thanks for pointing it out!

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > bhtooefr 08/08/2016 at 14:40

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Honestly I wouldn’t swap mine either, because I feel bad starting with what’s already a rarity and then removing what makes it special.

If I had an I4 or I5 Colorado tho... mmmmmm

ChooChooMotherFudger > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/08/2016 at 14:40

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My 09 Chellenger RT with a Hellcat engine and the AWD system out of the older Chargers. (they share a platform, I hope that counts)
Or a hellcat engine and tranny in my foxbody, just for shits.

Illegitimus Prime > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/08/2016 at 14:41

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Sorry about the double post, I originally replied to a comment instead of the main post.

My Polo:

Mitsubishi 6A12 MIVEC

Where there’s a will there’s a way.... if you can shoehorn the Audi 1.8T in there I’m sure you can find a way to fit in the 2.0L V-6.

..... and if it doesn’t fit in the front, who needs FWD and rear seats? Make it MR.

jimz > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/08/2016 at 14:41

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I’ve a 2011 Ranger Sport. I’d like to yank the gas-sucking 4.0 SOHC and drop in a turbodiesel. Maybe a 2.2 Duratorq from Ford of Europe. I’d really like the 3.2, but I don’t think the PN150 Ranger can fit an I5.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > ChooChooMotherFudger 08/08/2016 at 14:41

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Ohh. That’s interesting.

Yeah, I say it counts.

Bman76 (no it doesn't need a WS6 hood) M. Arch > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/08/2016 at 14:41

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This:

add LS7 and 6-speed:

http://www.jegs.com/i/Chevrolet-Pe…

http://www.jegs.com/i/Hurst-Drivel…

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > jimz 08/08/2016 at 14:42

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This needs to happen, one way or another.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Illegitimus Prime 08/08/2016 at 14:43

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A friend once told me you can put anything anywhere with a torch and a welder

ChooChooMotherFudger > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/08/2016 at 14:43

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I like the Hellcats if you can’t tell.
Think off all the 4 wheel burn outs.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/08/2016 at 14:43

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Mercedes W124 300D - swap to Audi V10 TDI. Not any heavier or longer, really, but would require making room on both sides I think. Stays diesel, allows for hilarity, and if the engine eats itself it can be pulled pretty easily.

Land Rover 2.25 gas with 7:1 compression - WHY MESS WITH PERFECTION

Ranchero - already in progress. Swap from 144ci six to 262ci V8 and Jag IRS because of reasons.

Giant Lincoln barge... um, go to better trans, bored out to 500ish 462 MEL and 3x2 carbs? Nothing drastic, really.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Bman76 (no it doesn't need a WS6 hood) M. Arch 08/08/2016 at 14:43

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HNNNGGGGGG

dogisbadob > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/08/2016 at 14:43

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I have a 4th gen Maxima. The best choice here would probably be the turbo VQ30DET swap. An LS could probably fit, since they fit in any car.

And why the fuck does the new Maxima still use the VQ35 and not the newer VQ37?

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > ChooChooMotherFudger 08/08/2016 at 14:44

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4 wheels burnt out

:)

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 08/08/2016 at 14:44

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Land Rover 2.25 gas with 7:1 compression - WHY MESS WITH PERFECTION

BECAUSE YOU MUST

bhtooefr > jimz 08/08/2016 at 14:44

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I’ve seen an OM617 in a Ranger before, and it looked like it was made to fit there. That’s a 3.0 I5.

And, I mean, that 3.2 I5 goes in the nose of a Transit, which isn’t that long!

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > dogisbadob 08/08/2016 at 14:45

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Saving it for Infiniti maybe? Dunno

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/08/2016 at 14:45

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Add a six-speed sequential rally gearbox, probably a Drenth unit like the GT86 CS-R3 has, and keep the current engine but with a few added power bits (proper header/tune/exhaust).

Then gut it, add a cage, necessary safety bits, and some beefed up rally suspension, which I’d probably get done in-house for that employee discount. (Sébastien Ogier seems to like our rally stuff, and he probably knows a thing or two about it)

And then go do lots of this:

bhtooefr > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/08/2016 at 14:47

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I’d consider it if I needed to replace the engine in my Miata, mind you... But not with only 24k on it (yes, 24k...)

I mean, it’d suck to lose that monument to the third pedal, but...

Your boy, BJR > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/08/2016 at 14:47

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My choice for a driveline swap would be to drive it in a straight line off a cliff and swap it for a better car.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Your boy, BJR 08/08/2016 at 14:48

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That’s closer to line-drive and swap.

EDIT: Didn’t realize you used ALL those words. Nvm

jimz > bhtooefr 08/08/2016 at 14:48

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I’ve seen ones with Cummins 4BTs, but I think they need a body lift.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/08/2016 at 14:50

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OK FINE. Blueprinted aluminum block flathead V8.

Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/08/2016 at 14:50

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We already have the 1.4t and 6 speed manual.

Just change it to a 4wd, keep it this height, and add boost until it has about 300 hp.

yamahog > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/08/2016 at 14:51

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I’ll take my Blazer:

And give it a 383 stroker and literally any functioning transmission because right now it has only two of four gears.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 08/08/2016 at 14:51

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Aluminum block Flathead... interesting

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection 08/08/2016 at 14:51

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ALL THE BOOST

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > yamahog 08/08/2016 at 14:52

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What actually busted in the trans?

Snuze: Needs another Swede > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/08/2016 at 14:52

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Cruze would get the 2.0 Ecotec Turbo out of a Malibu and Getrag F40 6 speed transmission out of a Pontiac G6 GTP.

Wife’s Lexus RX330 would get a couple gallons of gasoline and a match.

Also, hypothetical but potentially happing soonish - NA Miata with a GM 3900V6 mated to a T5 “hybrid” tranmission (S10 bellhousing and tail housing, F-body center section, Mustang Pro 5.0 shifter). With headers and a tune it should make 280HP and 300 ft-lbs, and the simple, aluminum pushrod motor means it weighs about the same as a stock Miata engine.

TysMagic > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/08/2016 at 14:52

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e60 M5 v10 inside a Z3 coupe.
According to the internets a v12 was shoehorned in a from a 8 series, so I guess that would be cool too.

C62030 > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/08/2016 at 14:53

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My Grand Prix + the whooshy turbo V6 from a GNX and the standard slushbox because racecar

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > TysMagic 08/08/2016 at 14:53

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u wil b kilt

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Snuze: Needs another Swede 08/08/2016 at 14:54

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I like both these. We need a Cruze SS and I’ve always liked the 3.9V6.

Milky > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/08/2016 at 14:55

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Pretty much the Crossfire version of this. Beef up the transmission and engine swap it. It’d be fun to have triple the horsepower.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Milky 08/08/2016 at 14:57

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So HellKitten Crossfire?

Mercedes Streeter > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/08/2016 at 14:59

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I wonder if a flat 6 would fit without deleting the passenger seat? lol

I know the guy who built that blown smart, the engine only takes vertical room out back, so the interior is mostly preserved!

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/08/2016 at 14:59

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My ‘97 Riviera would get an LS4 mated to a Getrag 6 speed. FWD.

My ‘91 Miata would get a supercharged 3800 Series II mated to a 6 speed GM transmission of some description

My ‘93 Sentra SE-R would get an LS4 mated to a Getrag 6 speed, because it would piss people off.

BvdV - The Dutch Engineer > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/08/2016 at 15:01

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Can I add in-hub electric motors to the rear wheels of my FWD Twingo? It breaks the rules, but the conversion isn’t that much of an structural job. I mean a manual e-AWD plug-in hybrid Twingo would be cool.

Snuze: Needs another Swede > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/08/2016 at 15:01

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I agree, I’d love to see a Cruze SS come out. Though I always had high hopes for that Code 130R concept they were flaunting around for a couple years. Basically a 2 door, RWD Cruze. With a 2.0 Turbo it would have been a modern Nova SS and I would have sold everything to get one.

The 3900 is a really underrated engine. With all the electronic wizardry it makes the same power as the previous 3800 SC engines, weighs much less, and it has an amazing torque curve and gets great gas mileage. GM’s 60 degree V6's in general don’t seem to get a lot of love. Aside from a crankshaft problem in some of the very really early ones, and the later intake gasket issues that plauged almost everything GM made, those engines were stout. We had an 86 S-10 with a 2.8L V6, and that truck was hit and totaled 3 times, and my dad just kept rebuilding it with junkyard parts, and we finally sold it with 280k miles and not once did anything in that powertrain break.

HammerheadFistpunch > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/08/2016 at 15:03

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1gz (na v12) and hf151 (5 speed manual) in the cruiser

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Mercedes Streeter 08/08/2016 at 15:05

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Dunno, but as long as there’s no major structural changes I’d allow it.

...It would pretty much be suicide though, bearing in mind the Smart’s handling reputation...

Pixel > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/08/2016 at 15:05

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‘04 Scion xB.

Buy a brand-new replacement engine and have it balanced and blueprinted, have the head ported and polished, and a custom-made stainless exhaust manifold & system. Have the trans rebuilt with either a higher fifth gear, or find a 6-speed out of another Toyota product that will bolt up and give me a higher final gear.

Same zippiness & fuel economy with a smoother engine, a few more horses and lower highway RPMS for more comfortable long hauls.

‘64 C10.

Atlas inline 6 mated to a 5-speed manual and a narrowed late-model 1/2 ton rearend with disc brakes.

Reliability and easy of maintenance of a modern fuel-injected vehicle while being able to still tell people it has ”an inline 6 & manual transmission”.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > BvdV - The Dutch Engineer 08/08/2016 at 15:06

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Not major structural changes=not breaking the rules.

DO IT

Mercedes Streeter > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/08/2016 at 15:06

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I meant to add “offroad tyres” to my list...a crazy fast, offroading smart? That’s a death I’m okay with!

BrianGriffin thinks “reliable” is just a state of mind > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/08/2016 at 15:08

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Take any car. Add Tesla P95D driveline. Done.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Snuze: Needs another Swede 08/08/2016 at 15:08

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1) Yes

2) My brother had the Malibu Maxx SS... that engine (well, engines, he went through 2... but they were his fault, he didn’t oil the K&N filter properly and ended up screwing up sensors and burning valves) was a BLAST. Boatloads of torque and a great noise.

Milky > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/08/2016 at 15:08

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Exactly. I still find it hilarious that my transmission has the “ torque capacity of 796 lb-ft ” but only has to do deal with 230. And the SLR engine will bolt right up. After 170k easy miles it probably needs a good work out by now.

BvdV - The Dutch Engineer > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/08/2016 at 15:09

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I’ve been looking into it a bit, and I can’t really afford it at the moment. However, at the when I finish university, and retire the Twingo as a daily driver, I will probably do something fun like this with it, since electric car parts should be way cheaper in 2-3 years.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Pixel 08/08/2016 at 15:10

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OK, enlighten me... what exactly does “blueprinting” an engine mean?

And a definite YES. We need more Atlas.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/08/2016 at 15:11

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Remove 4.3 and 5 speed, add built, rev happy 4.8L V8 and 6-speed and a Posi-Trac rear end.

Alternatively, and more insanely, shoehorn an S52B32 and 5-speed out of an E36 M3 because crazy and different. Though it would take serious engine compartment and chassis mods to make a DOHC I6 fit.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > BrianGriffin thinks “reliable” is just a state of mind 08/08/2016 at 15:12

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My biggest problem with Tesla is actually the lack of engine noise. Believe it or not.

I actually love the Tesla’s, but I need some noise to get my giddies.

Future next gen S2000 owner > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/08/2016 at 15:14

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‘16 Tacoma, keep the manual, and 4wd components

Engine swap for the 2.7 V6 in the F-150.

Finito

TysMagic > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/08/2016 at 15:14

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I would be smiling about it though

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 08/08/2016 at 15:16

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I find it odd that the 4.8 was put in the full size trucks but for mine they jumped straight for the 5.3L. The 4.8 really doesn’t have enough low-end for the Silverado’s, but it’s an absolute SCREAMER when it gets up in the revs a bit.

4.8 in an S-10=good times. And a 4:11 rear for good measure.

If you were going the I6 route, personally I’d go with the Atlas 4.2, but in either case it’s going to be tough to fit an I6 into an S-10...

yamahog > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/08/2016 at 15:18

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We haven’t actually pulled it to confirm, but 3-4 clutch failure seems likely.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Future next gen S2000 owner 08/08/2016 at 15:20

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GM is offering a crate 2.0T now... Did someone say ‘93 Sonoma with 270hp?

Yes yes the Syclone had 280, but it was AWD and auto. Besides this thing can take a little more boost, and it’s probably lighter than the 4.3T in the Syclone.

interstate366, now In The Industry > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/08/2016 at 15:27

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For my 2001 Prelude, I’d take out my H23 VTEC and put in a heavily built/supercharged K20A from a 7th gen Accord Euro-R (a hotter version of what we know as the 1st gen TSX), along with its close-ratio LSD 6-speed.

For my 1991 Prelude, I’d put the H23 that I took out of the other car in it, build it a bit, and modify the transmission to have an LSD and faster final drive.

Pixel > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/08/2016 at 15:28

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Blueprinting is making all of the same measurement the exact same spec in an engine. Where the factory specs for a main bearing clearance might say .0015" -.0030" is in spec, a blueprinted engine would have all main bearing clearances a .0027". It makes the engine that tiny bit smoother, faster reving and more durable.

In the real world it isn’t really necessary except for super high horsepower or racing motors, but in the fantasy world where I have unlimited money to throw at the motor of my 12 year old daily driver I would totally have it done.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Pixel 08/08/2016 at 15:30

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So basically going from a range to a set target?

I guess they can’t really do that in mass prduction, right.

Snuze: Needs another Swede > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/08/2016 at 15:31

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Well, the plan is, my friend and I are looking to do the NA Miata / 3900 V6 swap and turn it into a cool off-road/rally type vehicle. I was drawn to the 3900 because its awesome powerband (90% of torque by 1500rpm) and the fact that it’s really not much bigger than the stock Miata4 banger.

Pixel > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/08/2016 at 15:35

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Basically. It removes “close enough” from the build, and as such adds a *lot* more machining and measuring time(with associate cost), as well as often requiring extra parts to find one that either are or can be made to be exactly “in spec”.

If you are aiming to put ever measurement exactly in the center of the tolerance range, half the “correct to tolerance” parts would be too big and not be usable, the other half would need to be machined to spec. In the case of something that can’t be modified/machined you might have to go through many of them to get enough that are perfectly to your spec.

CobraJoe > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/08/2016 at 15:53

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2005 Legacy GT

With a Ford 302 based aluminum block engine with around 400hp

T5 5-speed with MGW shifter

converted to RWD

That’s it.

It’s a swap I’d consider if I keep the car long enough. V8 for the instant power and torque, T5 with MGW shifter for the absolute best shifter I’ve ever experienced, and RWD because AWD isn’t very dramatic.

Oh, and all the subaru nuts would be crazy mad at me for swapping out for a V8 when 400hp is easily attainable with the current engine.

DrScientist > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/08/2016 at 15:59

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this

add charging that is super...

try not to avoid speeding tickets.

deprecated account > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/08/2016 at 17:04

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‘95 4Runner 4WD, Tuned 1UZ-FE and a five speed. Add a diff that allows for sweet burnouts (while still retaining offroading ability), too.

Denver Is Stuck In The 90s > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/18/2016 at 03:06

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1993 Ranger + 5.0L V8 with GT40 heads out of a 1993 Mustang GT Cobra-R, slap in an M5R2 5 speed and mate it up to an 8.8 Traction Lock rear end with a 3.73 gear ratio

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s 08/22/2016 at 12:59

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Yissss

So you still have the Ranger then?

Denver Is Stuck In The 90s > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/22/2016 at 17:27

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Yup and she runs. Cat was clogged